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]]> Comment on Makah Whaling by joe green http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/makah-whaling/#comment-504 joe green Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:55:56 +0000 http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/?p=56#comment-504 let me ask you this whats the difference between killing a elk, deer, or. cow buffalo , fish , duck , rabbit, chicken, pig, or whale none people focus on the whales like it something sacred like the world will come to the end just because the makah kill a whale and they are not doing for show they are eating all and use the bones and if they can not whale like its in the treaty how about giveing back all the land that was taken from them let me ask you this whats the difference between killing a elk, deer, or. cow buffalo , fish , duck , rabbit, chicken, pig, or whale none people focus on the whales like it something sacred like the world will come to the end just because the makah kill a whale and they are not doing for show they are eating all and use the bones and if they can not whale like its in the treaty how about giveing back all the land that was taken from them

]]> Comment on Makah Whaling by Andre from Sacto http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/makah-whaling/#comment-494 Andre from Sacto Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:19:36 +0000 http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/?p=56#comment-494 If the Makah were Japanese then most everyone here would be in opposition. However, simply because the whalers are native Americans peoples opinion about whaling changes. The Japanese and Norwegians went looking specifically for a 'native' whale hunter when they came across the Makah. Certain tribal council members (the Johnsons) were promised a cut. Presto! The Makah tribe returned to whaling! It was a brilliant move to outflank the enviros to which I give them credit. It quickly became a green vs. native match up in the press. This is tragic because reverse prejudice is just as ignorant as its twin. Where all the Makah behind whaling? No. Many Makah complained about the strong arm tactics used to promote the whalers. Some viewed it as only benefiting certain connected tribal members and actively aided the Sea Shepherds by providing intelligence. Take the skin color out of the equation and what is left is people acting like people. I would have had a lot more sympathy for the Makah arguments if they were not being dragged around by power boat from whale to whale. The line would hauled in at the last moment, cameras were made ready, and a harpoon thrown. Then the 50 cal gunner would raise up and start firing into the whales head. Most would miss or strike a non-lethal blow to the whale and escape (or die out of sight). The power boat would come along side and tie up again and speed out to the next whale. Not traditional at all. As the SSCS was held at bay by the USCG they were a decidingly non-player in the hunt interference. I did witness many private citizens running their boats in between the whalers and the whales. They would immediately have their boats confiscated and they would be arrested. They did this knowing what the risks where but committed themselves to direct-action non violence intervention. They saved many whales. The whale that was killed was very young and may have thought that the whalers were a friendly tourist boat (the video of the kill supports this). After the kill a native American who was ashore videotaping came to the SSCS boat to donate his tape. It showed a disturbing lack of respect by the Makah to the whale. It shows the Inuit whaler brought to clean and dress the carcass wondering where his students were. They had no intention in learning anything other then killing the beast and that was it. It was the videographers own shock that brought him to the SSCS ship. If the Makah were Japanese then most everyone here would be in opposition. However, simply because the whalers are native Americans peoples opinion about whaling changes. The Japanese and Norwegians went looking specifically for a ‘native’ whale hunter when they came across the Makah. Certain tribal council members (the Johnsons) were promised a cut. Presto! The Makah tribe returned to whaling! It was a brilliant move to outflank the enviros to which I give them credit. It quickly became a green vs. native match up in the press. This is tragic because reverse prejudice is just as ignorant as its twin. Where all the Makah behind whaling? No. Many Makah complained about the strong arm tactics used to promote the whalers. Some viewed it as only benefiting certain connected tribal members and actively aided the Sea Shepherds by providing intelligence. Take the skin color out of the equation and what is left is people acting like people.

I would have had a lot more sympathy for the Makah arguments if they were not being dragged around by power boat from whale to whale. The line would hauled in at the last moment, cameras were made ready, and a harpoon thrown. Then the 50 cal gunner would raise up and start firing into the whales head. Most would miss or strike a non-lethal blow to the whale and escape (or die out of sight). The power boat would come along side and tie up again and speed out to the next whale. Not traditional at all. As the SSCS was held at bay by the USCG they were a decidingly non-player in the hunt interference. I did witness many private citizens running their boats in between the whalers and the whales. They would immediately have their boats confiscated and they would be arrested. They did this knowing what the risks where but committed themselves to direct-action non violence intervention. They saved many whales. The whale that was killed was very young and may have thought that the whalers were a friendly tourist boat (the video of the kill supports this). After the kill a native American who was ashore videotaping came to the SSCS boat to donate his tape. It showed a disturbing lack of respect by the Makah to the whale. It shows the Inuit whaler brought to clean and dress the carcass wondering where his students were. They had no intention in learning anything other then killing the beast and that was it. It was the videographers own shock that brought him to the SSCS ship.

]]> Comment on How It All Works by Mr John http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/how-it-all-works/#comment-488 Mr John Tue, 26 May 2009 18:34:46 +0000 http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/?p=80#comment-488 Better get the facts folks- I work there and we DO NOT buy pulp from ravaged old forests. We use lots of recycled fiber made just about 50 yards from me. We use it in Cottonelle, Facial tissue and bath tissue. several machine use 100% RF fiber every day! hundreds of tons a day of trash turned into useable disposable products. Better than landfill, better than cutting trees. True that consumers need to push for RF products. We are ready for 100% when they are. Better get the facts folks- I work there and we DO NOT buy pulp from ravaged old forests. We use lots of recycled fiber made just about 50 yards from me. We use it in Cottonelle, Facial tissue and bath tissue. several machine use 100% RF fiber every day! hundreds of tons a day of trash turned into useable disposable products. Better than landfill, better than cutting trees.
True that consumers need to push for RF products. We are ready for 100% when they are.

]]> Comment on Who’s to Blame? by Gonzo Couto-Lain http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/whos-to-blame/#comment-485 Gonzo Couto-Lain Fri, 15 May 2009 13:48:20 +0000 http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/?p=92#comment-485 There is a fallacy of assuming anyone questioning the premises of the Green movement is anti-environment. As much as that label helps polarize people into opposing groups, it is only an attempt to evade discussions about different options and the validity of the various arguments. Separating the world into us and them is the typical technique of radicals who have weak reasons to justify their purpose. The Green harshly critizise President Bush, who used such methods. There is a fallacy of assuming anyone questioning the premises of the Green movement is anti-environment. As much as that label helps polarize people into opposing groups, it is only an attempt to evade discussions about different options and the validity of the various arguments. Separating the world into us and them is the typical technique of radicals who have weak reasons to justify their purpose. The Green harshly critizise President Bush, who used such methods.

]]> Comment on Powershift 2009 (Part 1, the Depressing Stuff) by PowerShifter http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/powershift-2009-part-1-the-depressing-stuff/#comment-482 PowerShifter Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:16:52 +0000 http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/?p=100#comment-482 Looking forward to Part 2! is it coming?? Looking forward to Part 2! is it coming??

]]> Comment on Attack of the Crows — Attack of the Humans by Leah http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/attack-of-the-crows-attack-of-the-humans/#comment-481 Leah Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:02:43 +0000 http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/?p=52#comment-481 Today I saw a teenage boy get attacked by the a crow in Tokyo. I was out for my normal morning walk and I noticed he came running down the street- behind him a huge crow made serval swoops down at his head. The boy dodged back and forth trying to out smart the crow. But the thing was relentless, The boy realized he was in real danger and really started running, he looked terrified!. The crow continued to chase him, swooping every few seconds. I thought fuck me, this is not really happening, is it? I ran to help, but had to stay a safe distance away. I Made a loud whistle, but it didnt help- so I picked up a trash bag and started running the boy took off down the street and the crow followed, with me trailing behind, wistleing and making all sorts of ruckus in an attempt to distract the crow. I felt helpless. So does anyone know what to do if a crow attacks like that??? Make yourself look bigger, make a loud noice- what the heck can we do. Those damn birds scare the hell out of me every morning. Gangs of them stare me down and I avoid there gaze walk swiftly as if I were confronting a group of rowdy high school boys. When I was living out in the countryside, a crow swooped down at me out of nowhere. I felt him graze my hair and I took off running as he stood watching perched upon some powerlines!!! My mom made me watch THE BIRDS movie when I was a kid- and its become a freaking reality. I mean seriously, something needs to be done. I hope that kid from this morning is okay. Today I saw a teenage boy get attacked by the a crow in Tokyo. I was out for my normal morning walk and I noticed he came running down the street- behind him a huge crow made serval swoops down at his head. The boy dodged back and forth trying to out smart the crow. But the thing was relentless, The boy realized he was in real danger and really started running, he looked terrified!. The crow continued to chase him, swooping every few seconds. I thought fuck me, this is not really happening, is it?

I ran to help, but had to stay a safe distance away. I Made a loud whistle, but it didnt help- so I picked up a trash bag and started running the boy took off down the street and the crow followed, with me trailing behind, wistleing and making all sorts of ruckus in an attempt to distract the crow. I felt helpless. So does anyone know what to do if a crow attacks like that??? Make yourself look bigger, make a loud noice- what the heck can we do. Those damn birds scare the hell out of me every morning. Gangs of them stare me down and I avoid there gaze walk swiftly as if I were confronting a group of rowdy high school boys.

When I was living out in the countryside, a crow swooped down at me out of nowhere. I felt him graze my hair and I took off running as he stood watching perched upon some powerlines!!! My mom made me watch THE BIRDS movie when I was a kid- and its become a freaking reality.

I mean seriously, something needs to be done. I hope that kid from this morning is okay.

]]> Comment on Makah Whaling by Peter http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/makah-whaling/#comment-479 Peter Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:54:01 +0000 http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/?p=56#comment-479 Hi, I've recently been interested in this issue, and its interesting to see the array of viewpoints in this argument. I hope you all have room for a little more. I have done a good bit of research on this topic myself, am currently studying Native American history and am majoring in natural resource ecology. I am certainly not an expert, but I have been schooled on many subjects of both wildlife conservation and the histories of American Indians, so I would simply like to share what information I have acquired, as objectively as possible. Some good points have already been made, so some of this is just reinforcement. Here is a PhD's full report on Makah whaling: Take the time to at least pick out some of the main points here, and it should clear up some of the questions out there. No, the Makah are not in any way selling any part of the whales (except in the case of crafts made from whale bone). As far as utilizing every part of the whale, traditionally every part was used- even the sinew was used to fashion the harpoons used to catch the whales. Yes, whaling is a very deeply rooted cultural practice of the Makah. In fact, one could argue that their very existence is shaped around whaling. Starbird, I find it dissappointing that you claim the Makah do not respect the whales. Please, consider your 'opponents' perspective before you make such claims. No, the quota of 20 whales over a 5 year period with up to 5 whales in any given year should have no noticeable impact on whale populations (a full report is given if you check out the website I gave above). Like Aaron points out, check out the Makah's own website, where you can find their views, un-regurgitated, as well as heaps of info on trad. and contemporary whaling practices, spiritual and cultural significance, etc. Personally, it saddens me to see how our western society still has not been able to accept the views of the Native Americans, even after over 400 years of conflict, and at such an expense for these peoples. Are we no different than the Israelis and Palestinians? Well anyway I hope Ive left some food for thought. cheers! Hi, I’ve recently been interested in this issue, and its interesting to see the array of viewpoints in this argument. I hope you all have room for a little more.
I have done a good bit of research on this topic myself, am currently studying Native American history and am majoring in natural resource ecology. I am certainly not an expert, but I have been schooled on many subjects of both wildlife conservation and the histories of American Indians, so I would simply like to share what information I have acquired, as objectively as possible. Some good points have already been made, so some of this is just reinforcement.
Here is a PhD’s full report on Makah whaling: Take the time to at least pick out some of the main points here, and it should clear up some of the questions out there.
No, the Makah are not in any way selling any part of the whales (except in the case of crafts made from whale bone). As far as utilizing every part of the whale, traditionally every part was used- even the sinew was used to fashion the harpoons used to catch the whales.
Yes, whaling is a very deeply rooted cultural practice of the Makah. In fact, one could argue that their very existence is shaped around whaling. Starbird, I find it dissappointing that you claim the Makah do not respect the whales. Please, consider your ‘opponents’ perspective before you make such claims.
No, the quota of 20 whales over a 5 year period with up to 5 whales in any given year should have no noticeable impact on whale populations (a full report is given if you check out the website I gave above).
Like Aaron points out, check out the Makah’s own website, where you can find their views, un-regurgitated, as well as heaps of info on trad. and contemporary whaling practices, spiritual and cultural significance, etc.
Personally, it saddens me to see how our western society still has not been able to accept the views of the Native Americans, even after over 400 years of conflict, and at such an expense for these peoples. Are we no different than the Israelis and Palestinians? Well anyway I hope Ive left some food for thought.
cheers!

]]> Comment on Attack of the Crows — Attack of the Humans by katie http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/attack-of-the-crows-attack-of-the-humans/#comment-477 katie Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:33:50 +0000 http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/?p=52#comment-477 Great post! Fascinating. Great post! Fascinating.

]]> Comment on Attack of the Crows — Attack of the Humans by Bryson Nitta http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/attack-of-the-crows-attack-of-the-humans/#comment-473 Bryson Nitta Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:25:41 +0000 http://thethirdwave.wordpress.com/?p=52#comment-473 Ha, yeah, I've seen that TED talk before...it's a pretty cool idea. :) It's interesting to me that so many of the organisms that survive in our cities (and more than survive...they thrive) are viewed as pests or annoyances, when really, we should learn to interact with them for mutual benefit. Ha, yeah, I’ve seen that TED talk before…it’s a pretty cool idea. :) It’s interesting to me that so many of the organisms that survive in our cities (and more than survive…they thrive) are viewed as pests or annoyances, when really, we should learn to interact with them for mutual benefit.

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